programs on every first lady from martha washington to ida mckinley. tonight's program focuses on the life of caroline harrison.  >> caroline scott harrison was born in 1832 where she met benjamin harrison. she grew into an accomplished artist, interested in women's issues. although the harrison presidency has been rated as fairly unsuccessful by some historians, those who tracked first ladies considered carolina harrison as one of the more underrated to serve in this role. we'll learn why in this segment of "first ladies: influence and image" and here to tell us more about the story of carolina harrison, our two guests who now the office well. edie mayo, thanks for coming back. and bill seale, white house historian, has spent his professional career understanding the history of that building. bill and edie are both members of c-span's academic advisory committee for this series. we're going to start with an illustration tonight. the white house itself is one of the most iconic buildings in the world. i think -- >> certainly, yeah. >> is -- if ca